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Date: Mon, Aug 3, 2015 at 10:52 AM
Subject: General Electric whistleblower continues to be targeted-
complaint of involvement by Kian Ganz, editor and publisher of Legally India
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Kian Ganz,
Now lets get the facts right. We met after I contacted you to explore
the possibility of writing for Legally India. I was not exactly asking you for
a job then and our meeting was exploratory. I think we both wanted to meet and
see if there was a possibility of some cooperation.
During our meeting, you encouraged me to talk about what happened at
General Electric and what my whistleblower complaints were about. When I mentioned
I had been poisoned and drugged, your strange response was that I should not
talk about that because journalists would be more willing to do a story on the
GE complaints if I omitted this part.
When I started talking about the medical evidence on the record to show
that I had been physically harmed, you suddenly told me you had no time and
were in a rush.
We discussed the possibility of my writing on a regular freelance basis
for LI. You were interested in my doing this and I also at that point indicated
my interest and we decided that we would take this forward.
However, later in the conversation, you made some very strange
statements. You told me that I should stop making email complaints to the
authorities about being poisoned because that would make people at GE angry and
they would poison me more. You told me that instead I should email you first if
anything happened or if I was poisoned.
You told me that I should do nothing for about 8-10 months and that if
things did not improve, you would help me with my complaints against GE.
You repeated this when we were saying goodbye and I said so you are
saying I should trust you.
I point out that we hardly knew each other and this was the first time
we had met.
During our conversation, you also attempted to try and get me to believe
that any symptoms that I was experiencing were the result of organ damage from
past poisoning. At one point you made the absurd suggestion that maybe I had
been exposed to asbestos. Now unless I have been poisoned by also being exposed
to asbestos deliberately because of my whistleblower complaints, let me assure
you that I have no past history of asbestos exposure.
During this meeting when I said that AZB, Zia Mody's firm had committed
a fraud on the Delhi High Court, your response was that AZB commits frauds
everyday, and that the law was an ass.
After our meeting, when I reflected on it, it became clear to me that
you had said things to me based upon instructions from someone connected to
those targeting me.
I therefore decided that I would not follow through on writing for LI.
And I not take the matter forward at my end.
You allowed several comments on LI targeting me personally. You took
them down after I objected or attempted to respond. When I asked that my
response be put up, you used the excuse of trolls to ask me to ignore the
issue. I did on some occasions.
In this light, I am 100% certain that your twitter messages to me were
deliberately intended to cover up the attempt to create a false medical record
in my name at Quest Diagnostics. Do you think I did not know what phishing is
before you 'enlightened' me.
I also note that the poisoning that I was subjected to substantially
intensified after my meeting with you. I believe that you carried our
conversation back to GE"s lawyers, probably at AZB.
You willingly became a part of the conspiracy to eliminate me.
You very subtly allowed me to be targeted on Legally India.
I intend to put our entire correspondence in the public domain.
You have violated your journalistic ethics.
I intend to follow up on this by making complaints against you to the
authorities. There is evidence to substantiate all that I have stated
above.
And stop patronizing me, it just exposes your attempt to cover up your
malafides.
Seema Sapra
On Sun, Aug 2, 2015 at 2:53 PM, KIAN GANZ (Legally
India) <kian.ganz@legallyindia.com> wrote:
Seema. Sigh.
You asked to meet me for a job, I spent hours with you listening to your
story and hearing about your troubles and was sympathetic.
Now what's the point of what you are doing exactly? What are you hoping
to achieve? Is there any rational reason for this? What have I ever done to
you?
Do you have any factual objection to the DMs? Did you bother following
those links or doing some research on Google about spam? If you did, you'd find
that everything I sent you is 100% accurate.
I have no beef with you but please Seema, stop trolling me, it is unprofessional.
Best regards,
Kian
--
Kian Ganz
Publishing Editor
Legally India - News for Lawyers
kian.ganz@LegallyIndia.com
Tel (India): +91 900 405 6651
Twitter: http://twitter.com/legallyindia
On 02/08/2015 14:26, Seema Sapra wrote:
Kian,
I reproduce below a twitter DM conversation we had on 15 July 2015
minutes after I posted the following post on my blog http://seemasapra.blogspot.in/2015/07/fwd-general-electric-whistleblower_0.html
Someone had tried to create a false medical record in my name at Quest
Diagnostics. I had posted a screenshot of an email sent to me with an
attachment which I did not open.
You took an extraordinary, inordinate and unsolicited interest in trying
to persuade me that this was mere spam and not part of a conspiracy to harm me.
You also attempted to persuade me to remove this blog post. Why? The fact that
I received this email from a Quest Diagnostics account is clear and we both
don't now what the attachment contained as I did not open it. So why were you
trying to project this as mere spam when you could not know this?
You messaged me on twitter within minutes of my posting this blog. And
then you repeatedly messaged me on this. Why?
The twitter DMs are reproduced below, as is my email to the authorities
on 15 June which I had posted on my blog which you read. .
Seema Sapra
Twitter DMs between Kian Ganz and Seema Sapra on 15 July 2015
"Seema - just read your blog. Those emails just look like spam to
me and / or viruses that get sent out indiscriminately...
Legally India
Don't open the attachments and just file them as junk mail...Same
goes for porn Twitter handles - that kind of spamming happens to everyone
Jul 15
Seema Sapra
What about the quest diagnostics email - thats from their email
address
Jul 15
Legally India
Same goes for calls - the first number is a marketing call from
Vodafone. Check http://truecaller.com http://www.truecaller.com/in/1207166000
Jul 15
The 2nd number is some bus company or some random crap... Truecaller is
semi-accurate on this stuff sometimes
Legally India
Quest Diagnostics is definitely spam laced with a virus... MHT
files can contain viruses. I get dozens of similar emails per day.
Jul 15
It's known as phishing. Some hacker hacks random email accounts and uses
those to hack other email accounts, which are then used for same
hope you didn't open the attachment - it could have contained a virus
that could in theory compromise your computer https://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=1600.0 …
Legally India
I get literally dozens of these every day... Normally gmail spam
filters are supposed to catch them but sometimes they can come through
Jul 15
Legally India
You're getting these because your email ID is on your blog. Bots
crawl the net looking for email to send their spam to, and pick it up there
Jul 15
Legally India
if you did open the attachment let me know, we can run some hard core
virus checks on your comp
Jul 15
Seema Sapra
No, I don't touch such attachments, My PC is safe, But I do think
GE agents or whoever is targeting me are behind some of this.
Jul 15
Legally India
I can guarantee you 1000% that this has nothing to do with GE...
It's just standard spam - I can literally show you 100s like it
Jul 15
Legally India
Here's some background that may be interesting:http://www.tamingthebeast.net/articles4/virus-spam.htm …
Jul 15
I just resent and reposted the message because I did not want the word
"porn" to appear on my blog.
Seema Sapra
Who knows what the quest diagnostic email attachment contains, it
cld be false med record attempt , anyway thanks
Jul 15
Trust me, it's definitely a virus - no one would send a medical record,
false or otherwise, as an MHT file...
If I were you I'd unpublish the blog post, it doesn't advance your cause
in any way, in my opinion, though it's your choice of course...
Legally India
If hypothetically it was by GE, you're showing them you got
flustered by posting it.
Jul 15
Legally India
If it's not GE, you're showing them that you got flustered even
when it wasn't them. Neither outcome very useful to you...
Jul 15
Legally India
talking of spam, i just received this, which is definitely a virus
since it's got a .zip attachment http://snag.gy/KlKYE.jpg
Jul 15
Legally India
And here's another virus-spam laden email: http://snag.gy/6mVU6.jpg
Jul 15
Seema Sapra
Hey stop sending me all these viruses :)
Jul 15
Legally India
Delete this direct message
Haha - they're just screenshots :) Harmless to click on, I promise :)
Jul 15
Direct message text"
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:33 PM, KIAN GANZ (Legally
India) <kian.ganz@legallyindia.com> wrote:
Seema,
I'm sorry, but I consider your publication of our email correspondence
on your blog and the allegations you made against me deeply saddening and a
violation of the trust that I, as a journalist, had placed in you.
In light of this, I don't think I can justify engaging in any further
correspondence with you I'm afraid.
Best regards,
Kian
--
Kian Ganz
Publishing Editor
Legally India - News for Lawyers
kian.ganz@LegallyIndia.com
Tel (India): +91 900 405 6651
Twitter: http://twitter.com/legallyindia
On 01/08/2015 20:26, Seema Sapra wrote:
Kian,
Please provide me with all comments (including those that you censored)
that you have received at Legally India targeting me in whatsoever manner,
defaming and maligning me, or attempting to publicly humiliate me. I view
such acts as serious attempts to target me as a whistle-blower who has made corruption
complaints against General Electric Company which issue is not closed.
Please also provide me with the IP addresses for such offensive comments
and contact details of the persons who targeted me in this way.
I intend to make police complaints and complaints to other authorities
regarding such targeting.
Please provide this information and material within one week.
I also request that you post this entire correspondence on Legally
India.
Seema Sapra
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 3:47 PM, Seema
Sapra <seema.sapra@googlemail.com> wrote:
Kian,
In response, the way I see this whole matter.
I am a lawyer who worked with General Electric and was compelled to make
very serious whistle-blower complaints. Attempts were made on my life and I was
targeted with the help of the police, lawyers and doctors who covered up
complaints of poisoning. This led me to file a writ petition in the Delhi High
Court in which notice was issued by the Court to General Electric Company, GE
India Industrial Private Limited, GE Global Sourcing Private Limited, Siemens,
Alstom, Bombardier, EMD (a Caterpillar subsidiary), BHEL, the PMO, the CBI, the
Delhi Police Commissioner, the CVC, the Railway Ministry, and to GE officers
Jeffrey Immelt, Brackett Denniston, Alexander Dimitrief and John Flannery. This
matter was before the Delhi High Court from February 2012 until March 2015.
Despite several protection orders passed in this matter, during the
pendency of this matter, I was deliberately rendered homeless, was repeatedly
drugged, was repeatedly poisoned including by deliberate exposure to poisonous
chemical fumes and gases, was rendered disabled by the deliberate destruction
of my left ankle, was defamed, faced attempted psychiatric retaliation and
repeated attempts to label me mentally ill including in an anonymous blog
posted online, faced attempted abduction, faced destruction of my property,
faced destruction of evidence in this matter, faced repeated attempts to create
circumstances so that I could be unlawfully confined and placed under a third
party's control, faced retaliation at the hands of lawyers connected to the
parties and individuals incriminated in my whistle-blower complaints.
Finally, in a completely unlawful decision, two judges of the Delhi High
Court refused to look at the court record and to decide my petition and
applications for relief by terming them infructuous because during the pendency
of the matter, the corruption tainted tenders were cancelled by the Government
in an attempt to cover up my corruption complaints and to protect General
Electric and powerful Indian public servants involved like Montek Singh
Ahluwalia.
Fortunately in my case, the complete court record is available online on
my blog, as are audio recordings of several court hearings and this material is
sufficient for anyone who takes a look to appreciate the cover up that is being
attempted of my corruption complaints and the manner in which I am being
targeted.
There is medical evidence on record which establishes poisoning, there
is evidence against police of targeting me, there is evidence that AZB appeared
in this matter for GE without valid legal authority and that authority
documents and affidavits filed allegedly on behalf of GE are false, fraudulent
and perjurious. There is sufficient evidence of corruption and other unlawful
practices against GE on the court record in connection with my corruption
complaints. I could go on, but there is actual documentary evidence on the
court record or in police complaints to establish each and every complaint made
by me including of me being targeted.
And the targeting including poisoning has continued since March 2015.
So coming to Legally India, I agree that you have not personally harmed
me or targeted me. I appreciate the positive interactions I have had with you,
in a personal meeting, in emails and online, whether on LI or on twitter.
But as you are very well aware, I have been viciously targeted in
comments against me on LI, the worst of which you have censored. And I
appreciate that.
I also appreciate our understanding that I do not use LI to agitate my
whistle-blower complaints against GE. And I have not done that ever. In fact
when we met, I made clear that I was not asking you to do a story on my
whistleblower complaints against GE.
But those targeting me not only for my whistleblower complaints against
GE, but for complaints by me against some judges, some lawyers and other
individuals which are all an off-shoot of my being targeted because of GE, do
not want me to lead a normal life. The campaign against me is especially
targeted at spreading disinformation against me in the lawyer community so as
to render me socially and professionally isolated by wrongly presenting me as
some kind of failure with mental health issues. Therefore, my activity on LI
became the target of a vicious troll campaign against me intended to discredit,
embarrass and humiliate me. You did censor all of the most vicious targeting
and I appreciate that. But as you must have noted I have been subjected to more
than my fair share of hostility on LI and this is certainly part of a planned
campaign against me.
On my part, I have not used LI to lobby for my complaints against GE or
others involved.
I also agree that we agreed that you would moderate any comments of mine
which violated LI policy.
Now coming to the two instances which have caused concern either to you
or to me.
There is a third instance which I might as well mention.
On 14 July 2015, someone posted the following on a thread on LI http://www.legallyindia.com/Bar-Bench-Litigation/sibal-admits-literally-impossible-for-sahara-to-pay-rs-36-000-cr-in-18-months
"Ms Sapra,
I have stopped deluding myself that the "law" exists in the
sense we read when studying law.. or are told by our well-wishers (family,
friends, teachers etc).
And i no longer think it is reasonable to expect that the world must
operate like the teachings of a principled texbook. In fact Nowhere on the
planet is it so. One may preach principles. But please not try to expect
principled behavior from those who believe not.
Power flows from wherever it does. To grudge that and to expect things
to be 'right', is... well, childish.
India is a remarkable story. Numbingly lopsided, ill-managed, unfair and
brutal.
And yet, attractive to a large segment of the world's rich folks.
Because in all this "jungle-raaj", there are tremendous arbitrage
opportunities and to be rich and create a buffer of obscene wealth is a sure
way to cordon oneself off most if not all externalities. All ok by me at one
level.
What I do get worried about, is how/what can parents teach in terms of
universal values to their children? What will make the world better? Are we
even trusting ourselves with the responsibility of being 'higher' beings? Or
has 'humanity' already thrown in the towel??"
My response to that comment is also reproduced below.
"
Mr Iyer,
You've made a very incisive comment and one I agree with to a great
extent, especially where I think you might have satire and sarcasm mixed with
the truth about what it means to survive in India.
Sure, the law is bent and broken all over the world, but India and its
higher judiciary stand in a class of their own, and the latter is all the more
galling given the hypocritical paeans that are sung to our judiciary. Its a brutal
hell-hole for those who become "prey" in this jungle-raj.
I realize how entrenched this power based distortion of Indian society
is, but being a lawyer, I can't help noting and speaking about injustice and
corruption of the rule of law by the courts.
Until precisely five years ago, I would have shared your nonchalance to
an extent, but I have become caught up in a situation where I became the target
of powerful people and entities for what I knew. I turned to the
"law" for protection and faced its indifference to me, my rights and
my very existence at a very personal level.
I guess when you become an unwitting victim of this jungle-raj, you
can't remain indifferent to its brutality and hypocrisy anymore.
I have frankly lost all respect for our higher judiciary and for our Bar
as an institution and for more lawyer 'colleagues' than I care to count.
Well 'life happens' and the fight must go on.
We must all eventually answer to our own conscience."
You will note that I avoided any reference to GE or to my blog.
On 19 July 2015, someone anonymously posted a nasty comment against me
on an LI thread at http://www.legallyindia.com/Bar-Bench-Litigation/want-your-arguments-in-court-video-recorded-here-s-the-order-that-might-help#comments
This comment which I think you should have censored or at least
consulted me on, stated:
"By the way, is it true that you live inside the Delhi High Court
building? I wish that your troubles end soon and you be able to live a fully
functional life. It's nice to catch up with you on this forum - you are truly a
pleasant person after a while."
Please note that while this comment masquerades as a positive sentiment
expressed in my favour, anyone reading it would take the comment to indicate
that I was a failed lawyer and a homeless vagabond probably with mental health
issues.
I am homeless since May 2012, but there are reasons for that, which take
us back to my whistle-blower complaints and to my being deliberately targeted.
Since this comment was already online, I responded as below:
"No, Practical Lawyer, I don't live inside the Delhi High Court
building, though I have been deliberately rendered homeless as part of being
targeted for my corruption complaints against General Electric Company. Read my
blog atseemasapra.blogspot.in/p/my-curriculum-vitae-until-before-i.html andseemasapra.blogspot.in/p/updated-court-documents-in-whistle.html'
I was forced to sleep in my car for over a year. On occasion I parked it outside gate 8 of the Delhi High Court. I was poisoned, drugged, my ankle deliberately dislocated, etc. I continue to be poisoned.
BTW, where did you get this info about me?"
I was forced to sleep in my car for over a year. On occasion I parked it outside gate 8 of the Delhi High Court. I was poisoned, drugged, my ankle deliberately dislocated, etc. I continue to be poisoned.
BTW, where did you get this info about me?"
Note that my blunt response silenced this person and other potential
trolls on this thread. Several persons followed this link to my blog and not
only read my CV but also looked at the court record in my writ petition against
GE.
You will appreciate that I had no choice but to respond with the truth
here. I did not agitate my complaints against GE, but defensively responded to
deliberate targeting.
Then the incidents of yesterday happened. Again initially I only stated
that I was the victim of crime because of whistleblowing. I did not mention GE.
It is only when someone anonymously belittled my statement that I had
suffered as a crime victim, that I responded by elaborately on exactly how I
had been targeted. I still did not mention GE.
I was validly comparing my experience as a victim of crime to those who
suffered in the Mumbai bomb blasts. I think my
ordeal stretched over 5 years and
still continuing is far greater than those of individual victims of bomb blasts
who might have died, suffered disability, homelessness, or destroyed futures. I
have suffered all this and more except that I have survived several attempts to
murder me and am the victim of ongoing chronic poisoning.
At the very least Kian, I was entitled to make the following statement
on LI in my defence if I faced targeting there: I am a lawyer who has made
whistleblower corruption complaints against GE and have been targeted by being
drugged, rendered homeless, being poisoned, deliberate destruction of my ankle,
being defamed. etc. I should be allowed to ask those making vicious comments
about me whether and why they are deliberately targeting a whistleblower, and
to direct them to my blog if they want to read the court record and my cv.
This does not mean that I would have converted LI into my blog or that I
am using LI against GE. I would merely be putting trolls on notice about what
they are doing. My being able to state this would mean that no one would dare
to deliberately and with malafide intent troll me on LI as a target.
If GE or their lawyers like Zia Mody do not want me to post links to my
blog on LI, they should stop my being deliberately targeted there.
But your response was to censor me instead when I was only defending
myself.
Coming to people deliberately targeting me with vicious posts on LI,
they are committing a criminal offence of targeting a whistleblower and they
should be made aware of that.
I still don't agree with the manner in which you censored my comments
yesterday.
Seema Sapra
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 11:50 AM, KIAN GANZ (Legally
India) <kian.ganz@legallyindia.com> wrote:
Seema, I've explained why more than once: your comment had already
caused people to start bringing up the GE case, responding with linking to your
old blog posts, third-party blog posts questioning your mental health, etc. I
did not publish any of these, because those comments violate our community
guidelines and would have degenerated into you having a one-on-one battle with
those commenters / trolls to prove them wrong, just as you're engaging with me
now on email.
You promised me that you would not go down that rabbit hole not happen
LI when you got the account. I've just looked up the old email of 28 June, in
which you said:
"Sure Kian, I intend to remain polite, etc. I am not on LI to pick
and fight battles and I realize that I cannot post about the GE stuff
here. For that I have my blog."
This was in response to my email warning you:
By the way, for the avoidance of doubt, please use your LI account
sensibly and be polite to others as you have been so far, and don't use it for
GE etc stuff since LI is not the right forum for it :)
I generally won't
moderate your comments but if something is inappropriate or defamatory etc, our
usual moderation policy applies and I might step in to stop debate from getting
too nasty as can happen online...
This type of moderation, which you agreed to, is exactly what I
exercised yesterday (and not for the first time on LI), so please don't act
surprised.
When you start comparing the murder of 100s in a terrorist attack to
your experience, you invite people to debate your personal life and are pushing
trolls' buttons which will not end well, hence at my prerogative I removed your
comment and any others that would open that avenue.
A small part of my job in the comments section is trying to
keep the debate civil and stop people from personally getting attacked and
attacking others. Sometimes I step in too late since this is only a small part
of my job amongst many others - in this case, we should have probably taken
stricter action sooner to stop the trolls from provoking you to bring your
personal life into it.
I trusted you with the privilege of an account that would allow you free
publication and you told me you would abide by the rules of the site and not
use it as a platform to wage personal battles.
If now you are making accusations against me, so be it, I can't stop you
and feel free to, but you should know that you're alienating a neutral
bystander who was sympathetic to your situation.
Best regards,
Kian
--
Kian Ganz
Publishing Editor
Legally India - News for Lawyers
kian.ganz@LegallyIndia.com
Tel (India): +91 900 405 6651
Twitter: http://twitter.com/legallyindia
On 01/08/2015 11:13, Seema Sapra wrote:
Kian,
To record what happened yesterday on a Legally India Thread
titled 'Man died, justice lived': How a group of lawyers opened the SC's
doors in the dead of night but failed by
dawn [READ YAKUB WRIT & MERCY PETITIONS] at http://www.legallyindia.com/SCOI-Reports/man-died-justice-lived-yakub-memon#comment-74492
You permitted someone to anonymously post the following addressed to
me.
"@ seema sapra - your view will change the day your closed one's
suffer as result of these bombings".
In response I posted the following which was published
"I have suffered worse and continue to suffer for whistle-blowing
and for standing up for my ethics. I am a victim of crime.
So don't preach to me about crime and punishment."
You then permitted someone to anonymously say the following in a long
comment addressed to me
"(e) You say "I have suffered worse and continue to
suffer for whistle-blowing and for standing up for my ethics. I am a victim of
crime."- do u have absolutely no sense?!? You are equating
whistle-blowing,
standing
up for ethics with cold-blooded murder of 300 people and more than 700 injured/
disabled. Do you realise how many were rendered homeless or had their future
destroyed?"
Note that this comment above from a practicing Delhi lawyer very likely
aware of my whistleblower complaints against General Electric Company mocked me
for my statement that I was a victim of crime. He talks about the murder,
disabilities, homelessness and lives destroyed in the 1993 bomb blasts but
mocks me when attempts have been made on my life for 5 years, I have been
drugged and poisoned, disabled by deliberate destruction of my ankle, rendered
homeless so that for over one year I slept in my car both at the height of the
Delhi winter and the Delhi summer and the destruction of my life, my career, my
future, and the deliberate destruction of my reputation.
So I responded to that in a comment where I also stated the following
which was published.
"As far as I am concerned, attempts are being made to eliminate me
since 2010. Attempts to murder me. I have been drugged, poisoned, ankle
dislocated, rendered homeless, defamed, and I could go on. So don't minimize my
ordeal which has stretched to 5 years.
Read my blog if you care to."
Within minutes, you censored the above part of my comment. Why?
When I protested to you on email, you refused to publish this part. Why?
This is the truth about how I have been criminally targeted but you don't want
to publish it.
If you had published it, people would have been forced to stop targeting
me anonymously on LI.
I posted two more comments merely stating that you were not allowing me
to respond to the comment mocking me. You also censored those two comments of
mine.
You then on my request also censored the following
"(e) You say "I have suffered worse and continue to suffer for
whistle-blowing and for standing up for my ethics. I am a victim of
crime."- do u have absolutely no sense?!? You are equating
whistle-blowing,
standing
up for ethics with cold-blooded murder of 300 people and more than 700 injured/
disabled. Do you realise how many were rendered homeless or had their future
destroyed?"
Then for reasons of your own you proceeded to censor the following
comment of mine as well
"I have suffered worse and continue to suffer for whistle-blowing
and for standing up for my ethics. I am a victim of crime.
So don't preach to me about crime and punishment".
You then posted a comment on the thread you would not be permitting
further posts as the thread had degenerated int name-calling. This was
misleading as essentially you wanted to prevent me from making any reference to
my being targeted for whistleblowing including to attempts to murder me even
though you permitted a lawyer to anonymously mock me.
This morning you have modified your comment on the thread to read as
under
"Guys, this thread has degenerated into too
much bilateral back-and-forth that adds very
little to the debate or the story.
We won't be publishing any further comments on this thread for a while
unless they make legitimate legal arguments and do not contain personal attacks
or counter-attacks or allegations.
Thanks
Kian"
I am sorry Kian, but it appears that you are aligned with Zia Mody et al
to cover up the fact that I am being targeted for whistle-blowing. Zia Mody was
the lawyer for Genneral Electric Company on the matter of my whistleblower
complaints.
There is no other explanation for your actions. You have violated journalistic
ethics.
I will ask that you post this email from me on Legally India. You can
have no objection to that.
I do not intend to continue commenting on LI because of your unethical
censorship of my defensive comments while permitting people to anonymously
target me.
Please post this on LI.
Seema Sapra
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Seema Sapra <seema.sapra@googlemail.com>wrote:
Kian,
Sorry that got sent out before I could complete. Here's the full
response.
I disagree with your response. Yesterday someone spoke directly to me as
a person, you allowed that. I responded mentioning I had experienced being a
victim of crime myself. Then someone who was most likely aware of my background
belittled me. You allowed that. But when I responded you shut me down.
And then you censored the entire conversation including my statement
that I
had experience being a victim of crime. You censored my comments without
consulting me and then you posted a misleading statement that you were stopping
comments because of name-calling.
I am perfectly capable of defending myself
from trolls and I
don't agree that in doing so I would have made LI an extension of my
blog.
But censoring my comments in the manner you did yesterday remains
unacceptable to me.
I am at least entitled to tell people that I am a whistle-blower and to
call out people
if they are attacking me online for that.
Further, there was nothing wrong in my asking the commenter Yo Yo if he
belonged to Rohatgi's chamber.
And how did you allow a comment targeting me by asking me if I lived
inside the Delhi High Court premises. That was the first time I had referenced
my whistleblower complaint against GE in response. My whole writ petition
against GE which went on for 3 years was not "news" for you.
I will not be commenting on LI based upon your position. You want to
censor me from
telling people that I have been targeted for
whistleblowing. That I have been drugged, poisoned, had an ankle
dislocated, defamed, rendered homeless, life destroyed etc as part of that
targeting. And that my life remains in danger. This is who I am now and you
will not allow me to
mention this even to defend myself against attacks.
The fact is that the minute I mention this, no one will dare attack me
publicly so there would be no trolling.
And as stated if I am targeted on Legally India in the future, I will take
steps available to me.
I again state that your concern seems more to protect General Electric
Company, AZB, Zia Mody, etc from embarrassment than controlling trolling.
Seema Sapra
On Sat, Aug 1, 2015 at 7:51 AM, Seema Sapra <seema.sapra@googlemail.com>wrote:
Kian,
I disagree with your response. Yesterday someone spoke directly to me as
a person, you allowed that. I responded mentioning I had experienced being a
victim of crime myself. Then someone who was most likely aware of my background
belittled me. You allowed that. But when I responded you shut me down.
And then you censored the entire conversation including my statement
that I had experience being a victim of crime. You censored y comments without
consulting me and then you posted a misleading statement that you were stopping
comments because of name-calling.
I am perfectly capable of defending myself from trolls and I don't agree
that in doing so I would have made LI an extension of my blog.
But censoring my comments in the manner you did yesterday remains
unacceptable to me.
I am at least entitled to tell people that I am a whistle-blower and to
call out people if they are attacking me online for that.
Further, there was nothing wrong in my asking the commenter Yo Yo if he
belonged to Rohatgi's chamber.
And how did you allow a comment targeting me by asking me if I lived
inside the Delhi High Court premises. That was the first time I had referenced
my whistleblower compaint against GE in response. My whole writ petition
against GE which went on for 3 years was not "news" for you.
I will not be commenting on LI.
And as stated if I am targeted there, I will take steps available to
me.
I again state that
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 10:05 PM, KIAN GANZ (Legally
India) <kian.ganz@legallyindia.com> wrote:
Hi Seema,
I am sorry to hear that and that you were hurt, and it's your
prerogative not to comment anymore.
However, I am responsible for keeping some sort of peace in the
commenting section and to stop it from degenerating into personal attacks,
while trying to maintain it as a safe space of relevant discussion, which I
have to exercise on a daily basis in discussions that exclude you too.
Your comments, particularly when you began to raise your background,
opened yourself up to personal attacks which several commenters then seized on
to start bringing the entire GE, etc story into it. This you could only have
responded to increasingly by going into the whole GE story to defend yourself
(as was beginning to happen in your comments which I then started moderating).
Trolls would have endlessly continued responding to your defences behind
a veil of anonymity and it would have opened up the entire can of worms and it
would have essentially turned the comment
section
into an extension of your personal blog and grievances, which does not add to
the quality of the discussion on LI.
Since you are commenting in your own name, I have carefully tried to
moderate any personal attacks on you to date as far as possible, other than
people disagreeing with you on substance (even if I personally disagree with
their argument or retrogate mindset). This is the same policy we apply to
others commenting under their own name too. Sometimes comments that are
provocative slip through though and that's something we don't have the
bandwidth to police continuously.
Furthermore, such engagements basically degenerate into trolling, with
people clearly posting comments to get a response from you because they're
bored or insensitive, which creates an unpleasant atmosphere in the commenting
section for everyone.
I have a lot of experience in dealing with trolls on the site and know
how they think and work to a large extent, and I stand by my decision to step
in in this case because it wouldn't have ended well nor given anyone any
pleasure or resolution.
Best regards,
Kian
--
Kian Ganz
Publishing Editor
Legally India - News for Lawyers
kian.ganz@LegallyIndia.com
Tel (India): +91 900 405 6651
Twitter: http://twitter.com/legallyindia
On 31/07/2015 20:50, Seema Sapra wrote:
Kian,
I have decided that I will not be commenting on Legally India
again.
I am not happy with your arbitrary censoring of my comments today.
First I did not attack anyone.
Because of my background, I am a target for people on LI, people who are
deliberately incited to troll and target me.
I could easily deal with such targeting and defend myself and such trolling
would stop but you are putting unjustifiable restrictions on me as to
what I can or cannot share about my background and my
whistle-blower complaints.
The fact that I have been targeted because of my complaints against
General Electric and some lawyers is something that I should not be prohibited
from sharing.
In fact LI acts so often as a forum for people who have been victimized
or for people to vent their genuine grievances. But in my case you will not
allow me to even defend myself against attack.
In the beginning when I responded to attacks you did not publish those
responses by offering instead to delete the comments attacking me.
Once I registered on the site, there have been several instances of
published attacks targeting me but you have constrained my ability to respond
and defend myself. Today especially I did not appreciate what you did. I was
very offended as well as hurt.
You will not even allow
me to communicate
my
circumstances and how I am being targeted. Yet
you recently published a comment where someone maliciously asked me if I lived
inside the Delhi High Court building. I frankly think your attitude devalues me
as a human being.
My comment today that I was a victim of crime myself in response to a
comment saying I should first "suffer" violence was a valid
comment.
Then the response belittled the violence directed at me and when I
responded you censored that.
You have by your actions today also made it publicly known to your
constituency of readers that I am not allowed to comment freely on your website
unlike others.
You keep using protecting me from trolling as an excuse but it looks as
if you really want to avoid embarrassing GE, AZB etc.
I could understand if you did not want me to use LI to agitate my
whistle-blower and threat to life complaints but you won't even permit me to
describe myself as a whistle-blower or to speak about my life circumstances,
even as defence against attempts to publicly humiliate me.
I expect persons who wanted me off LI or wanted to publicly humiliate me
there will be happy.
I'll keep the registration
active just so that
no one impersonate me.
If I am targeted on LI in the future I will take steps available to
me.
Seema
On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 5:57 PM, KIAN GANZ (Legally
India) <kian.ganz@legallyindia.com> wrote:
Yes, but every defence provokes another attack, provokes another defence
ad infinitum, at which point we have intervened in the past also on similar
stories.
Will edit the name calling bit...
--
Kian Ganz
Publishing Editor
Legally India - News for Lawyers
kian.ganz@LegallyIndia.com
Tel (India): +91 900 405 6651
Twitter: http://twitter.com/legallyindia
On 31/07/2015 17:55, Seema Sapra wrote:
Now you have edited the statement I found offensive.
RE your last comment
"Guys, this thread has degenerated into too much bilateral name
calling.
We won't be publishing any further comments on this thread for a while
unless they make legitimate legal arguments and do not contain personal attacks
or counter-attacks or allegations.
Thanks
Kian"
the only name calling going on for the last 3-4 days was targeting
me.
I only responded defensively today.
Anyway this whole thing makes me very unhappy.
Seema
On Fri, Jul 31,
2015 at 5:48
PM, KIAN GANZ (Legally
India) <kian.ganz@legallyindia.com>wrote:
Seema, if you ask me to delete that comment you
can't
then re-post it. :)
--
Kian Ganz
Publishing Editor
Legally India - News for
Lawyers
kian.ganz@LegallyIndia.com
Tel (India): +91 900 405 6651
Twitter: http://twitter.com/legallyindia
On 31/07/2015 17:46, Legally India wrote:
I am deeply offended by this statement:
"(e) You say "I have suffered worse and continue to suffer for
whistle-blowing and for standing up for my ethics. I am a victim of
crime."- do u have absolutely no sense?!? You are equating
whistle-blowing, standing up for ethics with cold-blooded murder of 300 people
and more than 700 injured/ disabled. Do you realise how many were rendered
homeless or had their future destroyed?"
Kian, you censored my response to this which merely described what I
have gone through for 5 years and am still going through.
I find this extremely
unfair.
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